In this episode, we were delighted to chat with Emily Harrington and Hazel Findlay. Both of these women have accolades that speak for themselves, but let’s go ahead and name a few: Emily was the fourth woman ever to free climb El Cap in a day, the first woman to do so via the Golden Gate route, she’s summitted Mount Everest, is a very accomplished comp climber, and has the first female ascent of a number of 5.14s worldwide. Meanwhile, Hazel has also been a pro climber for over a decade, she was the first woman to climb a trad route rated E9, she’s put up multiple first ascents on big walls around the world, she was the third person to send Magic Line (14c) in Yosemite, and is the founder of Strong Mind, which focuses on mental training and fear management. They were once teammates on the North Face team and went on a number of adventures across the world together, including a trip to climb a big wall in Morocco, which we get into. They both discuss how becoming others has changed their approach to risk management, and how to trust (and when not to trust) a mentor, setting boundaries, and their own mental training.